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Poster: ganges Date: Jan 5, 2020 1:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: After thirty years drumming for the Grateful Dead, Bill Kreutzmann’s found a new groove

don't remember if this was posted here, I liked it.

https://hanahou.com/22.6/back-from-the-dead

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Poster: Dave Davis Date: Jan 6, 2020 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: After thirty years drumming for the Grateful Dead, Bill Kreutzmann’s found a new groove

I saw Dead & Co four times, 2015-2019. They got better every time. But I totally enjoy the musical bond between John, Jeff and Oteil. And especially Oteil's vocals too. If they keep doing this, they will sound even better in 10-20 years.

Bobby Billy and Mickey are fun to see, but I preferred seeing them at the 800 seat House of Blues like I did in 2004.

Think I'll go once a year like I do with DSO but in the $25-50 seats

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jan 5, 2020 7:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: After thirty years drumming for the Grateful Dead, Bill Kreutzmann’s found a new groove

I recently got around to his book . Didn't always leave me a good impression, but hw seems to have gained some peace here . I have friends who's Dead taste I trust, swear how good Dead & Co. are . Maybe if I was younger and didn't have to be careful with my ears , and didn't mind the hassle, etc. What I hear is surprisingly good, but I don't get too excited or by it . Maybe I will get to it . When Phil has his "Quintet", by the end of their era , I was getting tired of it , i recently went back to those shows and really enjoyed then . One thing is they don't sound like the Grateful Dead .
Good luck to them all .

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Poster: ganges Date: Jan 5, 2020 8:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: After thirty years drumming for the Grateful Dead, Bill Kreutzmann’s found a new groove

All these last years I didn’t care for Dead Co., I just didn’t get the lineup with JM – after watching some here and there I got interested when I read that JM was playing the Wolf in NY, watching the Dew I felt that something good is happening. The last couple of minutes are well worth listening…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-pTux43ttU

Quote from a comment: ”I’ve had the opinion since ‘95 that No Jerry? No thanks. but very very slowly over time John Mayer is winning me over to Dead & Co. Maybe it was the roses.”

From Jay Blakesberg: “……..The guitar sang and screamed with LOVE from the first notes of St. Stephen played on that stage! Wolf had truly come home! By the time the band got to the end of the second set you could see how the guitar and the player had become ONE and that last solo in Morning Dew took us all collectively - the band and the fans - to that special place where we all commune in the group mind and the energy flows freely from stage to audience and back again...and we all knew that everything is exactly the way it should be!! Truly epic night, and I know John is still flying high from the experience. ~ Jay Blakesberg

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Poster: turnphilup Date: Jan 5, 2020 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: After thirty years drumming for the Grateful Dead, Bill Kreutzmann’s found a new groove

I tried Dead and Co. live once and have listened to a lot of their stuff. It was a positive experience live, so I am not gonna hate on John, but it just was not my thing. Bill says it best,"The real magic of the Dead, says Kreutzmann, wasn’t something that could be recorded or anticipated; it could only be experienced" If you have experienced Jerrys guitar playing live, especially enhanced with any type of chemicals, nothing is ever going to replace that, ever. I am glad they can still pack stadiums and sheds and more people are getting turned on to their unique sound, but it really has become a sort of packaged nostalgic act these days. Not that this a bad thing, just not my scene anymore . The world is a better place because this music lives on in so many forms, and with various bands interpreting the music in tons of different ways. This music will continue to play bands for years to come, and so that is a good thing and hopefully a positive impact on the human species. Now, get off my lawn! Peace.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Jan 5, 2020 10:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

I didn't see 150+ shows because it was just pretty music. And that magic that got me to go to that many shows from coast to coast is long gone. What they now produce has zero of that element. That is why a bunch of folks who were afraid of the cosmic chaos can now comfortably enjoy a run of the mill rock and roll show, no fear of being exposed to something they were not 100% sure was safe, no risk anymore, nothing psychedelic happening.

Does anyone actually re-listen to D&C shows the way we re-listen to GD shows? I've listened to my favorite few attended GD shows plus many of the classics many times over and plan to continue that until either I die or I can't hear anymore. They help me to relive the "experience" Billy describes in the quote above. I tried to listen to a D&C show I was at and I could not get through even one entire song, live it was entertaining but not recorded. Nothing even remotely "epic". I was just listening to some of the 12/30/19 show and all I could think of was: quaaludes man, a few too many of them.

I, to, am glad that every city in the USA with at least 100K people has at least 3 GD bands, maybe one of them one day will not let their music degrees from Berklee stand in the way of letting the music play the band - so far I haven't found that band yet. That is why there is and will always only be One Grateful Dead - they were best when they didn't give one rats ass about how they were perceived by the music industry or their "peers" (they didn't really have any). Once they started caring in '89-90 things were already way over the hill, and they had come back to the field by then.

Seeing any of the post Jerry stuff just drives home how much we lost. So probably only those folks w/o that perspective can really immerse themselves in this like its the real deal. I was at a D&C show with some young folks and they kept asking me if this is what the GD were like, I didn't want to be a party pooper so I just smiled.

I've seen just about every combination of Phil & F, Ratdog, Other One's, Furthur, D&C, Crusader Rabbit Stealth Band, etc, so I've tried to do it.

But they just make it all too concise and too clear
that Johanna's not here...

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Poster: wlg3 Date: Jan 6, 2020 10:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

I'm also one those who has enjoyed seeing Further, Dead & Co., etc. live but has not cared for those recordings. I'm I'm going to pull a show for listening, may as well pull up the actual GD.

One other nice side effect- I met my wife after the Dead era, and she was into other music at that time. I've enjoyed taking her to post-GD incarnation shows, and in spite of being pale shadows, they still have enough essence for us to share the experience. And, it's nice to re-live my 20s at least a bit, but with smarts.

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Poster: ganges Date: Jan 6, 2020 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

Thanks for the input, if Dead & Co. would decide to come over to Europe I'd probably go and see them but I also don't listen to them on CD, I might watch a tune on YT here and there but never did a show or even a set.
But the live experience is probably still another story, even now. But then I don’t know about Europe, the GD following has never been even close to what it was/is in the US. Most of you saw dozens or hundreds of shows, I saw 3, 2 of them in 72 (Europe 72), one in 78 (Stockton, CA).

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Poster: Edsel Date: Jan 8, 2020 5:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

Thank you.
I've never been able to listen to more than a song or two from any of the new little configurations, it's too well rehearsed, and even the spontaneous sections seem contrived. It's like the Anti-Dead. This post was modified by Edsel on 2020-01-08 13:17:24

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Jan 8, 2020 4:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

its all for the "off the bus" crowd now. The bus departed along with Jerry.

I have found other places where the universe still blows my mind.

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Poster: Vermoontains Date: Jan 6, 2020 6:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

Grateful Dead 3-19-1986 Hampton, VA - Visions Of Johanna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAA1rWy9FOc This post was modified by Vermoontains on 2020-01-07 02:12:52

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jan 7, 2020 5:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

I hardly ever even listen to the shows I attended anymore. It seems odd, but I'm really beginning to enjoy listening to the studio recordings. (Ending with Blues for Allah.) It might be because I'm fiddling around with recording myself - and have come to appreciate the perfection required. Or it might be that my attention span has diminished. Or that because even the Bettys I've cherished don't have the same definition as studio music does.

I know the rap, about interplay and jamming, and that huge creative avenue - and the energy that goes with it. But I've also heard most of the catalog I'd ever want to hear - and these studio recordings are crisp and clean - and brief glimpses into a different place.

(Don't Taze me man.)

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 8, 2020 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

I haven't listened to any GD show, in full, for several years now. I hammered that sucker hard for 35+ years. I feel like I drank deeply.
There is so much great new music, across genres, being made right now, so for me "Be here now."

> It might be because I'm fiddling around with recording myself

The real point to my reply. What have you been recording?

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jan 8, 2020 9:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

It's a long story, but I've played guitar with a couple of different bands in the past 30 years. I hadn't seen or played with them for the last decade. We had a reunion last fall and they gave me tracks for five of the shows I missed. Since the guitar(s) slot was well covered, I decided to take up pedal steel and mandolin. So now I'm working on tracking these into their existing shows. Old dog attempting new tricks.

But let me finish with this. If you've ever wanted to learn how to play an instrument, but felt uncomfortable - now is the time to take it up. There are so many resources on Youtube and elsewhere - the learning curves are greatly reduced. I'm in my 60's and learning lap steel, pedal steel, mandolin, and fiddle. Do it! You'll greatly surprise yourself!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 8, 2020 10:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

Very cool. Keep on playing.


> But let me finish with this. If you've ever wanted to learn how to play an instrument, but felt uncomfortable - now is the time to take it up. There are so many resources on Youtube and elsewhere - the learning curves are greatly reduced. I'm in my 60's and learning lap steel, pedal steel, mandolin, and fiddle. Do it! You'll greatly surprise yourself!

There are so many excellent resources / teachers available. In effect, music school for free. Any sites in particular that you can rec?

My contribution would be Rick Beato, Aimee Nolte, and Adam Neely.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jan 8, 2020 10:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

I use Mickey Adams for pedal steel, who has about 200 youtube videos - and doesn't mess around. Here's a link to an index.

https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=182789

For other instruments, I usually just search youtube until I find a comfortable fit - at my playing level, then stick with that person until I max out on them.

Facebook actually has a Grateful Dead Musicians group that covers a lot of stuff. You wouldn't believe the shit people go through to sound like Jerry!

The same can be said for buying instruments and other gear. There are so many reviews written and recorded on video about this stuff that you can make excellent buying decisions if you want to get in the game. I use ZZSounds.com for a lot of my gear - they've got some excellent purchase plans.

I really can't stress this enough - but playing music brings great inner joy, and for those of us on in our "autumn" years, it's a fantastic way to keep mentally agile and physically active. (Perhaps we should start a whole thread about it?)

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 8, 2020 10:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

> I really can't stress this enough - but playing music brings great inner joy, and for those of us on in our "autumn" years, it's a fantastic way to keep mentally agile and physically active. (Perhaps we should start a whole thread about it?)

Right on. (And please do.)

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jan 8, 2020 11:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

I'll gather some resources and give it a go. (Probably a couple days) Thanks for the encouragement...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 6, 2020 5:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

> What they now produce has zero of that element.

Yup.

> Does anyone actually re-listen to D&C shows the way we re-listen to GD shows?

Not really. Why would one waste their time when we have 6-24-70 or 10-12-68 or 1-23-68 ect., ect., ect.

Look at some of the reactions when I try and point out one of the soulless Jerry Clones >https://youtu.be/toi2dordDrw

Yubtub comments generally are equivalent to an open sewer, but I am amused how I am accused by one > "You Micah are an idiot!!! You probably love John Mayer, sir your body is a wonderland. I bet you want to run through the halls of your high school."

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 7, 2020 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

you quote " scripture"?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 7, 2020 10:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

God no. I believe the glorious user name GD PacNW brought that little wonder up.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 7, 2020 12:33pm
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ah ha! that's def weird then!

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Poster: Kate. Date: Jan 8, 2020 5:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

Unfortunate that your philanthropic intent was so patently misinterpreted.
edit: re: micah This post was modified by Kate. on 2020-01-08 13:54:36

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Jan 6, 2020 8:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

My best compliment regarding JK is that he knew to get out of Phil's way while with the Furthur gizmo.

So many never got to experience it. They have a perspective that only has recordings to base their opinion on, no experiences. What they now listen to just doesn't touch the soul, or rip it screaming and flailing from your body depending on dosage/location/circumstances. I wanted my electromagnetic field disrupted, that was big reason I went to so many shows. Hitting the reset button, scrambling the eggs. Please disturb my 'peace"! God I miss that nervous feeling about 2 weeks before show time. Are all my ducks in a row, will I survive it this time, am I crazy to intentionally put myself in the direct line of fire - actually wanting to get shattered? Part of the community feeling was being around so many others with the same intent - to have their minds blown. Does D&C blow any minds?

Reminds me of a GD concert experience from Hartford 10/15/83. We were walking the stadium halls during the first set. There was a guy ( one of many doing the hall freakout) sitting with his back against the wall with his head in his hands. Brown Eyed Women being played, just as they sing "drank down the bottle and your ready to kill", we both looked right at each other and sang that line right in each others faces...whooped loudly, and then hugged, and then went on my merry way. I hope I contributed to his freakout as he did mine

"What a dull grey world it would be without psychedelics"
Jerry Garcia

It's all pretty light hearted these days and that is attractive to younger "safe space" crowd. Me? I like being freaked now and again.

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Poster: Reade Date: Jan 9, 2020 6:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

Safe is the word. Nailed it. Everything is safe now. Nobody's risking much of anything, artists and patrons alike.
As Mr. Scorcese said of these comic-book super-hero type movies, they're like theme parks. To anyone who enjoys the things, more power to them.. but I mean, C'mon. No risk, no reward...

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 9, 2020 9:47am
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It's like the mantra is I can't lose if I don't play, i.e. risk. In fact, it is just losing more slowly as the bubble wrap gets thicker. We need risk to grow fully into ourselves or to create great art. It leads to a growing authoritarianism as people look to the other to determine, and especially mitigate, risk.

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Poster: Reade Date: Jan 9, 2020 3:07pm
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The price paid, the other side of the coin is never getting blown up by a movie, a performance. The bubble wrap 'protects' against that too. Where'd we be without those experiences, our 6/24/70s if you will?

Can't imagine the risks taken by MS (not that this is all about him, just sayin') while making Mean Streets, Taxi Driver. That priority of staying true to his own self, the 'growing into himself' that's clearly evident from watching those things, makes them what they are. They are sooo much more than an agreeable way to spend two hours.

And he had very little idea as to whether anybody whatsoever was gonna want to pay to see the things. Or necessarily what they'd make of them once they did. Just as the Dead surely couldn't have known how a rock crowd was gonna respond to 45-minute Dark Star > Morning Dews back when. No demographic considerations or algorithms used in their production. They just had to be made! By artists, risking away..

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jan 6, 2020 6:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: But they just make it all too concise and too clear That Johanna's not here...

Youtube comments cactus patch . Ouch !
I should say I might be more interested if, besides the Grateful Dead, I didn't have so much other music to explore . Music I would rather listen to at the moment . Hats off to the guys making the music, and the folks supporting them .

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Poster: Vermoontains Date: Jan 6, 2020 5:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: After thirty years drumming for the Grateful Dead, Bill Kreutzmann’s found a new groove

Thanks, I liked the article too, especially when he was asked about a particular show
" Were you there? Yes
Were you at every show? Yes"

Jeez, I had a touch of nostalgia for "What's My Line?

and the Big Joe story. everybody needs a rabbi.

I don't think the new groove is Deadco so much as island living.
Sweet Hawaiian Sunshine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwinGX7Fouo